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TomL's avatar

MOC, on your Embiid comments, I would also like to distinguish between "hating" and sharing my "eye test fan assessment". And this is separate from his injury history, but what I see when he is (mostly) healthy:

#1. I believe Joel is super-talented, can make winning shots on offense and be a winning rim protector on defense. His MVP-level stats and impact on a team are legit.

#2. I also believe that despite the "winning gravity" Joel brings per #1, that he actually does not make the winning basketball plays that make the difference in the team truly contending for a championship. This is where the eye test comes in -- I've seen too many turnovers in crunch time, loose balls around him that the other team gets, contested rebounds that the other team's shorter guys get... Joel has weak hands, and is not "strong with the ball", as a mic picked up Jimmy Butler's encouragement to Joel coming out of a late-game timeout during 2019 playoffs.

And #2 was actually at the root of your sentence that started with "Jonathan Kuminga fell on his knee..." The bigger context of that play was Joel received a pass in the post with his back to the basket, and had it poked away by his defender... and it was a literal "poke" not some massive hack... and Joel proceeded to go sprawling on the floor to recover the ball, which is then when Kuminga landed on his leg. So, the "Kuminga injury" was not just some random bad luck thing done to Joel -- it was a direct result of weak hands, and the broader context of not making the winning basketball plays in the margins.

And so all that's fine... I don't hate Joel for not being that scrappy/making all the little plays guy. But the team does need to surround him with those type guys in order to win, and the Sixers can't be running offense in crunch time in the playoffs through Joel and expect to win against the best teams (as evidenced by last 8 years of early playoff exits).

And Joel himself is OK not being "that guy" and has encouraged Maxey to take over that role. And I still have hope because Maxey is a gamer... and VJ looks to maybe even have a higher upside than Maxey... just from being taller...

Anyway, thanks for your article and letting me comment (vent :-))!

Jontay Porter's avatar

Amos in the fly the process episode describes why a sixers fan could hate Embiid. At its core the weird loser front runner personality the sixers have year after year is the team taking on his energy. There are obviously other problems but the frustration that this podcast has run on over this era fundamentally emanates from an emotionally immature franchise player with loser energy.

It is also his cry-bully play style. He flops constantly and foul grifts like a small guard even though hes huge. I don't know another big man who relies so much on flopping. And then at the same time, he has his own history of dirty play and hitting people in the nuts.

The combo of his mopey loser energy and his play style is ore than enough reason for the hate and its totally separate from the injuries.

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