Listening to the Danny Green interview, it never occurred to me that James Harden could dissuade Paul George from signing with the Sixers because of his fractured relationship with Daryl. Was Danny's assertion overblown? Would Paul George actually hesitate to sign a full-max because of whatever Harden whispers into his ears about Daryl?
I don't think Danny was being dishonest but I also don't think it was disqualifying for the Sixers to sign Paul George. At the end of the day if they're offering him a year and 40 whatever million more I think that matters most.
Yeah I second this. Either they are offering him a max deal or they are not -- Daryl couldn't deceive him if he wanted to. I guess it could become a bigger problem if Jimmy had some deep rooted mistrust of him, since they supposedly couldn't extend Jimmy for 6 months after trading for him. But I dunno, I think the big agents probably still trust Daryl and that's what's most important.
1) Daryl finds all of Spike’s burners and discovers they’re filled with him talking mad shit about the entire roster and NFTs. He demands that Team Ricky retire the pod immediately and, out of shame, you do it. Sixers go on to win a championship next season but you’re not there for the ride or anytime thereafter. No rebranding of the pod as anything else and taking credit. The Ricky as we know it is dead.
2) Philly finally wins a title in 2035 but only after another collapse and process-like rebuild that’s led by the team’s new best player Bronny James and his dad, a new co-owner of the franchise. The pod has to continue through all of it.
Last week Mike said that he likes the idea of the Butler coming back and winning a championship more than PG because it completes a nice narrative arc.
Surely a trade for Mikel and Ben (and hopefully a championship!) would complete an even better narrative arc? Or does the fact that Ben is an arsehole derail that?!
Apologies for beating the same old boring drum, and realise this sounds like I've got an agenda because I'm Aussie, but I think Ben does have a lot of positives and is a huge distressed asset!
If Ben is a negative asset, and Mikel a positive, what do you think it would take to get them both?
Mikal would basically take all our draft assets and even then we'd likely get outbid unless he specifically tried to force his way here. Ben I'd bet we could basically get for free but Daryl couldn't do that to Joel at this point.
I guess what I'm saying is if we took on Ben's contract we may get Mikel cheaper. I may be dreaming. I read somewhere that we could fit both of them in the cap, admittedly without much room left. So say to the Nets - two firsts, or one first and two seconds, and a load of expiring contracts for Mikel and Ben. Like I said, possibly dreaming
Yeah it's possible having that level of cap space could assist in getting us in the Bridges conversation. Maybe we can help facilitate taking Ben off their hands but I just don't know if I can see a world in which he actually ends up on the roster next year.
I get the impression that brandon ingram as the plan c, d in this off season. Tho i agree PG and Butler are better players, i feel like Ingram’s flaws as a player mirror the other two options, hes a legitimate 20+ ppg scorer, and he would be cheaper to sign, and would cost less in trade value than butler. Am i missing something about him?
I'm intrigued but the flaws are real: He doesn't shoot a lot of threes, he misses a lot of games, he's not a great defender and he's never won a playoff series.
Of all the Sixers slip-ups over the process era, which one haunts you the most excluding Sam Hinkie's ouster, because that would make it too easy. I'm sure everyone knows all the mistakes, but just to list some: Drafting Jahlil Okafor. Trading up for Markelle Fultz. Trading away Jimmy Butler and signing Al Horford and Tobias Harris. Drafting Mikhail Bridges and trading him away for Zhaire Smith(or not selecting Shai Gilgeous Alexander who was available when Bridges was selected). Going into an off-season without a general manager. Trading for James Harden over Tyrese Haliburton(conflicting reports on if this was actually on the table).
I think you could make the case for any of them. Personally I would say letting Jimmy go in favor of having Ben/Horf/Tobias/Brett haunts me the most. But an under-the-radar one is just how awful their 2018 off-season was, even aside from Mikal. I think about it a lot -- they just did absolutely nothing. People crush them for not getting a backup center at the deadline but where they really messed up was the off-season. They traded away Richaun Holmes for nothing (who would have been their best backup center that year). They re-signed Amir Johnson, who was out of the rotation in the prior year's playoffs. They traded for Mike Muscala which I guess wasn't horrible. But Ersan Ilyasova got 2 years, $14 guaranteed from the Bucks. I dunno why the Sixers didn't match that -- they sneakily have not been able to find anyone to play the Ilyasova role since he left. In hindsight, re-signing Ersan and not trading Richaun would have been about a million times better than what they ended up with.
Trading up to draft-and-stash Anzejs Pasecniks at pick 25 doesn't get nearly enough love. Kyle Kuzma, Derrick White, Josh Hart were taken 27-29-30 in that draft.
So for context I’m French and only lived a year near philly when I was young (in ‘02-‘03), went to a high school next to Villanova and was later happy when they won the championships. During the Knicks series I realized many people did not consider Villanova to be a “Philly team”, and was wondering if you agreed and if you knew why? Is it a rivalry thing with Temple or other philly universities, or maybe like a “rich-kid” university thing? Thanks and sorry if the question is weird!
I think it is an anti-rich kid and anti-Main Line thing. I don't doubt Temple alums have a lot to do with it. It's funny though that a lot of people saying it probably don't live in Philadelphia.
It's a mix of both of those things. The Temple thing definitely plays a part in it -- lot of Philly media and online personalities went to Temple. I also think a lot of people from the city just don't see it as culturally connected to the neighborhood they grew up in. Which isn't wrong. But I still like and respect pretty much all of the Nova hoops guys including Jay Wright.
If the Sixers end up going the non star, role player option (seems less likely based on reports), who would you want them to go after? KCP, Pat Williams, Caruso, Tyus Jones are names that interest me.
KCP and/or Caruso would be perfect, though I doubt Denver lets KCP walk for anything, I think they know how much he means to their team. Caruso *might* be available, though if a team like OKC wants to go after him as a Dort upgrade they can easily outbid the Sixers.
Tyus would be a great regular season backup PG, but he's never been much of a playoff force, just too small and a little too unathletic to always stay on the court in the most high leverage situations.
I wonder if Troy Weaver being fired means the Detroit offer is no longer valid? If not, Detroit for 4 years $80 million, but if so, San Antonio, 3 years, $48 million.
I think GS has to both cut CP3 and not bring back Klay for anything remotely substantial in order to stay under the tax. God, I live in Oakland, if I have to watch more Tobi games I might need to find a new sport.
Love the Cade idea from a while ago. Seems like the Pelicans can’t keep all their stars. Is a combo of Ingram, Trey Murphy, Herb Jones possible trade targets?
I just can't see Herb and Trey as realistic targets, by the end of the year they were essentially the Pels' 2 most important players behind Zion, and I think New Orleans wants to lean into that core.
Ingram is gonna be available, but he's going to be available because he's not that great.
Basically. Unless you wanna say they got better proportional value from one of their minimum backup center types. Of the guys they actually invested in it's JJ and no one else is particularly close, sadly.
That would mean Colangelo is responsible for both the best FA player signing and the best deadline/waiver pickup (Bellinelli/Ersan)? Excuse me while I go barf. 😕
I'd prefer drafting one of the better guards/wings if they're still available, but if it's Missi at 16, I also think that's fine. He's a bit raw but there's some really fascinating potential there with how good of a ball handler he is already.
Listening to the Danny Green interview, it never occurred to me that James Harden could dissuade Paul George from signing with the Sixers because of his fractured relationship with Daryl. Was Danny's assertion overblown? Would Paul George actually hesitate to sign a full-max because of whatever Harden whispers into his ears about Daryl?
I don't think Danny was being dishonest but I also don't think it was disqualifying for the Sixers to sign Paul George. At the end of the day if they're offering him a year and 40 whatever million more I think that matters most.
Yeah I second this. Either they are offering him a max deal or they are not -- Daryl couldn't deceive him if he wanted to. I guess it could become a bigger problem if Jimmy had some deep rooted mistrust of him, since they supposedly couldn't extend Jimmy for 6 months after trading for him. But I dunno, I think the big agents probably still trust Daryl and that's what's most important.
Which do you prefer?
1) Daryl finds all of Spike’s burners and discovers they’re filled with him talking mad shit about the entire roster and NFTs. He demands that Team Ricky retire the pod immediately and, out of shame, you do it. Sixers go on to win a championship next season but you’re not there for the ride or anytime thereafter. No rebranding of the pod as anything else and taking credit. The Ricky as we know it is dead.
2) Philly finally wins a title in 2035 but only after another collapse and process-like rebuild that’s led by the team’s new best player Bronny James and his dad, a new co-owner of the franchise. The pod has to continue through all of it.
Last week Mike said that he likes the idea of the Butler coming back and winning a championship more than PG because it completes a nice narrative arc.
Surely a trade for Mikel and Ben (and hopefully a championship!) would complete an even better narrative arc? Or does the fact that Ben is an arsehole derail that?!
Apologies for beating the same old boring drum, and realise this sounds like I've got an agenda because I'm Aussie, but I think Ben does have a lot of positives and is a huge distressed asset!
If Ben is a negative asset, and Mikel a positive, what do you think it would take to get them both?
Mikal would basically take all our draft assets and even then we'd likely get outbid unless he specifically tried to force his way here. Ben I'd bet we could basically get for free but Daryl couldn't do that to Joel at this point.
I guess what I'm saying is if we took on Ben's contract we may get Mikel cheaper. I may be dreaming. I read somewhere that we could fit both of them in the cap, admittedly without much room left. So say to the Nets - two firsts, or one first and two seconds, and a load of expiring contracts for Mikel and Ben. Like I said, possibly dreaming
Yeah it's possible having that level of cap space could assist in getting us in the Bridges conversation. Maybe we can help facilitate taking Ben off their hands but I just don't know if I can see a world in which he actually ends up on the roster next year.
I get the impression that brandon ingram as the plan c, d in this off season. Tho i agree PG and Butler are better players, i feel like Ingram’s flaws as a player mirror the other two options, hes a legitimate 20+ ppg scorer, and he would be cheaper to sign, and would cost less in trade value than butler. Am i missing something about him?
His flaws are not like PGs. He's ball dominant and doesn't really shoot threes. To be clear, PG is a way way way way better player than him currently.
I'm intrigued but the flaws are real: He doesn't shoot a lot of threes, he misses a lot of games, he's not a great defender and he's never won a playoff series.
Of all the Sixers slip-ups over the process era, which one haunts you the most excluding Sam Hinkie's ouster, because that would make it too easy. I'm sure everyone knows all the mistakes, but just to list some: Drafting Jahlil Okafor. Trading up for Markelle Fultz. Trading away Jimmy Butler and signing Al Horford and Tobias Harris. Drafting Mikhail Bridges and trading him away for Zhaire Smith(or not selecting Shai Gilgeous Alexander who was available when Bridges was selected). Going into an off-season without a general manager. Trading for James Harden over Tyrese Haliburton(conflicting reports on if this was actually on the table).
I will give Hinkie the benefit of the doubt in thinking he was just going to flip Okafor.
I think it's hard to do the "drafted X and didn't draft Y" thing because you can do that in just about every draft.
I still think if they don't draft Ben SImmons they probably have a title.
I think you could make the case for any of them. Personally I would say letting Jimmy go in favor of having Ben/Horf/Tobias/Brett haunts me the most. But an under-the-radar one is just how awful their 2018 off-season was, even aside from Mikal. I think about it a lot -- they just did absolutely nothing. People crush them for not getting a backup center at the deadline but where they really messed up was the off-season. They traded away Richaun Holmes for nothing (who would have been their best backup center that year). They re-signed Amir Johnson, who was out of the rotation in the prior year's playoffs. They traded for Mike Muscala which I guess wasn't horrible. But Ersan Ilyasova got 2 years, $14 guaranteed from the Bucks. I dunno why the Sixers didn't match that -- they sneakily have not been able to find anyone to play the Ilyasova role since he left. In hindsight, re-signing Ersan and not trading Richaun would have been about a million times better than what they ended up with.
Trading up to draft-and-stash Anzejs Pasecniks at pick 25 doesn't get nearly enough love. Kyle Kuzma, Derrick White, Josh Hart were taken 27-29-30 in that draft.
The pick we got with the Mikel trade obviously ended up as part of the Tobi deal, so that has to be pretty high!
So for context I’m French and only lived a year near philly when I was young (in ‘02-‘03), went to a high school next to Villanova and was later happy when they won the championships. During the Knicks series I realized many people did not consider Villanova to be a “Philly team”, and was wondering if you agreed and if you knew why? Is it a rivalry thing with Temple or other philly universities, or maybe like a “rich-kid” university thing? Thanks and sorry if the question is weird!
I think it is an anti-rich kid and anti-Main Line thing. I don't doubt Temple alums have a lot to do with it. It's funny though that a lot of people saying it probably don't live in Philadelphia.
It's a mix of both of those things. The Temple thing definitely plays a part in it -- lot of Philly media and online personalities went to Temple. I also think a lot of people from the city just don't see it as culturally connected to the neighborhood they grew up in. Which isn't wrong. But I still like and respect pretty much all of the Nova hoops guys including Jay Wright.
If the Sixers end up going the non star, role player option (seems less likely based on reports), who would you want them to go after? KCP, Pat Williams, Caruso, Tyus Jones are names that interest me.
Of that group I'd choose KCP and Caruso the most.
KCP and/or Caruso would be perfect, though I doubt Denver lets KCP walk for anything, I think they know how much he means to their team. Caruso *might* be available, though if a team like OKC wants to go after him as a Dort upgrade they can easily outbid the Sixers.
Tyus would be a great regular season backup PG, but he's never been much of a playoff force, just too small and a little too unathletic to always stay on the court in the most high leverage situations.
Any Tobias contract and team predictions?
I wonder if Troy Weaver being fired means the Detroit offer is no longer valid? If not, Detroit for 4 years $80 million, but if so, San Antonio, 3 years, $48 million.
Detroit, 3 years, 90 million.
Does Golden State have their MLE available? If so them.
I think GS has to both cut CP3 and not bring back Klay for anything remotely substantial in order to stay under the tax. God, I live in Oakland, if I have to watch more Tobi games I might need to find a new sport.
Love the Cade idea from a while ago. Seems like the Pelicans can’t keep all their stars. Is a combo of Ingram, Trey Murphy, Herb Jones possible trade targets?
Don't think Murphy and Jones will be doable.
I just can't see Herb and Trey as realistic targets, by the end of the year they were essentially the Pels' 2 most important players behind Zion, and I think New Orleans wants to lean into that core.
Ingram is gonna be available, but he's going to be available because he's not that great.
Was JJ Redick the best Sixers Free Agent signing of the last ~10-15 years?
The value of Oubre given what he provided was best. Redick probably the best player though.
Basically. Unless you wanna say they got better proportional value from one of their minimum backup center types. Of the guys they actually invested in it's JJ and no one else is particularly close, sadly.
That would mean Colangelo is responsible for both the best FA player signing and the best deadline/waiver pickup (Bellinelli/Ersan)? Excuse me while I go barf. 😕
I think you could reasonably argue that Lowry was a better pick-up than either of those guys.
Thoughts on keeping the 16th pick and drafting Yves Missi to back up Joel?
Only if Dan Olinger says it's OK
I'd prefer drafting one of the better guards/wings if they're still available, but if it's Missi at 16, I also think that's fine. He's a bit raw but there's some really fascinating potential there with how good of a ball handler he is already.
shrug emogi.